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I think that what were quibbling a little bit here on the assumption, I think we actually have more things we agree on than less. It does not show that. Hebrews 11:35 describes a group of people in the Old Testament period who were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they may rise again to a better life. The only record of this is found in 2 Maccabees 7, which describes brothers who accept torture at the hands of the Seleucids instead of eating pork and violating Jewish law. And if thats the case, I think hed have to say there really wasnt a church before that if he cant find someone prior to that say, yeah, that person believed essentially what I believe. By utilizing electric acoustic guitar and digitally recorded performance tracks with the technology of digital harmony Steve performs your favorite hits, "flawlessly". If you like todays episode, become a premium subscriber at our Patreon page and get access to member only content. You can see him and others talk about this on the Reason and Theology Channel. Now the doctrine of original sin is true, but the Bible does not explicitly say that it applies to every single individual without exception. And maybe we can go to Trent and then Steve. . I would stress that we look at what the church teaches in its magisterial teachings about Mary and her important role in salvation. Theres nothing in scripture that states that Mary was an exception to this. Of course, that is not what we are debating today. You can finish your thought, if you want real quick, Steve. The dogma of the Perpetual Virginity of Mary contradicts scripture in the following ways. I dont know if I could answer the question definitively. Suppose we discovered the actual cross Jesus had been crucified on. Oh, its for me? So this question comes from Mitchell Godfrey, and Im going to just change his question a little because he said he is not going to be watching live. I would argue that the dogmas are not explicitly mentioned in Scripture and they do not affect salvation. So just because this Psalm talks about my mothers sons, it doesnt imply that Mary gave birth to other children. Steve will point to Jesus in sacred scripture. Verse eighteen describes the enemies of the righteous one, saying, If the righteous one is the son of God, God will help him and deliver him from the hand of his foes, which parallels the Jewish authorities taunts during Jesus crucifixion recorded in Matthew 27:43: He trusts in God; let God deliver him now, if he desires him; for he said, I am the Son of God.. Theyll say that I dont believe it, but Steve might say it doesnt contradict scripture necessarily. 15. Did their authors believe God had stopped speaking decades or centuries earlier? So while not common, it is used. Steve Christie also has his own website. This next question comes from [Mcart 01:28:41] 1977. The YouTube show, which was created by Kyle Curtis and Steve McRae, often featured interesting guests, such as Hugh Ross, Inspiring Philosophy, Shannon Q, Sy Garte, Matt Dillahunty, Paulogia, Lawrence Krauss, and more. Psalm 132:8 says Arise, Lord, and come to your resting place, you and the ark of your might. Can you describe the ark?. This passage also contradicts the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary since Jesus mother was with Jesus brothers in verses 20 to 21, when they accused him of being out of his senses. If Mary was conceived sinless and kept the law perfectly, then Christ could not be her savior. Trent models that approach each. Mark - Hello Christie, thank you so much for . When Matthew 1:25 writes, Joseph kept Mary a virgin until she gave birth to a son, the specific Greek words [foreign language 00:02:06] when translated until, is used consistently in the New Testament to refer to a change in condition. When it comes to savior, the word is used in a lot of different ways in the whole of scripture, not just in the New Testament. Steve Cable, April 18, 2022 Steve Cable explains how the apostle Peter showed himself to be a master apologist, not the bumbling, brash fisherman he used to be. No. And I truly believe that because youre a nice guy. Coming to the industry in 1990, he soon discovered that the practice of Real Estate by most was not at the level of professionalism that he had envisioned. That was a really well articulated opening statement and I appreciate it. Now, does the Bible teach that everyone has sinned? . After an in-depth study of the writings of the Church Fathers, both Steve and his wife Janet converted to the Catholic Church. These would be children from his previous marriage, making them adoptive brothers and sisters, and as such, they would be fully Jesuss brother and sister, the full use of the word adelphos. And eventually those ended up being dropped throughout the debate. Well the thing is, in both cases in the Septuagint and in Lukes gospel, theyre both in the perfect passive of participle, so theyre being used the same way. He scored 100 or more points in eight of . They also didnt believe the Gospels or other New Testament documents were inspired, so they dont have a great track record when it comes telling us what is and isnt Scripture. Therefore Mary would not need to be assumed to heaven to keep her from seeing death if she were conceived sinless. Of the 336 field goals Steve Christie kicked during his 15-year National Football League career, none was more important than the one he booted in overtime on Jan. 3, 1993, at the stadium then known as Rich. Really enjoying this. Christie, who grew up in Oakville, Ontario, graduated from The College of William and Mary and made his NFL debut with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1990. So probably honestly that one. So I agree with that. All right. And of course, he might say, Well, what about Jesus? Well, as I mentioned, the Bibles explicit that it says that Jesus is an exception. However, prior to this debate, Trent and I had agreed not to talk about Mary being referred to it as the mother of God, because its not really an issue that we disagree on, as long as it is understood how it was originally meant to be a Christological title and not a specific title of Mary, such as being queen of heaven. So maybe you could focus on the other three, which obviously you disagree with all these three Marion dogmas, but which do you think would be the easiest for you to get on board with? Well, in your example, its talking about father. So the protestant reformers like Luther and Zwingly, did they believe Mary was a perpetual Virgin and were they committed to Sola scriptura? As long the difference between Mariological title versus Christological title, thats probably where we would disagree, but go ahead. Steve, youre going to go first with five minutes and then Trent. So lets tie all of this up a little bit. Well, first of all, I would say that I disagree with Trent as a Catholic as how you define the word church, that in Roman Catholicism church is defined specifically as the Pope of the magisterium, and then when you get baptized in the church, you become part of that. The Bible does describe a group of people as the brethren of the Lord but it doesnt say that these people were Jesuss biological siblings through Mary. No, Bauckham talks about this in his article that in some context, Jesus would be referred to as the son of Joseph, especially among those who were not familiar with his family life in Nazareth. Should we baptize babies or not? Can a conclusion be infallible if the underlying logic is false? Okay. Another piece of evidence against Christies claim that divine revelation ceased during the time of the deuterocanonical books is that the people of Jesus time believed there were contemporary prophets who spoke on behalf of God, such as John the Baptist and Jesus. And in fact, in the Old Testament, only begotten and firstborn are used interchangeably. Finally, Christies Pharisee argument for the Protestant Old Testament canon fails because its logic can be used to make a similar argument for a completely different Old Testament canon. Theres no divine judgment on Mary in any form described here in Mark chapter three. But when you look into church history, its kind of hard to answer that question because even Trent cannot say about somebody that agreed exactly the way that he does. In fact, in that debate, I never brought up the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Also death is not a sign of being a sinner, as Steve alluded to earlier. We discovered it, carbon-dated it, thats the cross Jesus died on. Does the Authorial Model have a Fictitious Problem? I think it might be best if I just go back and forth, so like one question for Steve and he answers, then Ill do a question for Trent. We have to remember that. No, it doesnt. I think there is good reason to believe that, but thats not what were debating today. Which church father would you want to preach at your church? And the same is true for Mary. Okay. On the signing, Christie pointed out that one reason for joining the team was "basically doing Michael (Clemons) a favour" as a former college teammate and that it was tentatively for one game. As far as Revelation chapter one to six, I dont see anything thats in there that talks about Mary. Do you? Your view is that the word adelphos, what it means in the brethren is that its talking about Jesus and siblings, they have the same mother but they have different fathers. Even if it is talking about sin, if its talking about being saved from sin before one came into existence, preemptively saved, then it still fits the context. So to talk about things that came up in this debate, there are things that came up that were not debating, things like Sola Scriptura, the history of the Marian dogmas. So unlike Twitter and YouTube, Im not going to get banned from saying the sorts of things I say that go against secular dogma. Thats because they quoted primarily from the Septuagint, or the Greek Old Testament. Many of you know I now have a Catholic Lo-Fi channel. I think it will be. Lutheran Calvin, I would expect that. If it was an eyewitness account, I suppose someone would had to have been informed about that. What about after the apostolic age? Can you give one example in the New Testament where it describes God or Jesus being a preemptive savior instead of a redemptive redeeming savior? I like you Trent. United States. In Luke 3:1 its used to describe Herod Antipas and Herod Philip who had the same father, but they were born of different mothers, just as Jesus and his brethren were born of different mothers. She goes on to say, My spirit rejoices in God, my savior for or because he has regarded the lowest state of his handmaiden. Mary then describes how God saves people from threats in this life by exalting the lowly or feeding the hungry. This was the view that St. Augustine said, when he said that in Psalm 69:5, the mother is not married, but Israel and the brethren are the other sons of Israel who spurn him. Yeah, sounds good. Thank you very much, Trent. In week 1 vs. the Tennessee Titans, Christie went 3 for 4 on field-goal attempts (41, 42, & 33 yards). Take your time there, Steve, getting yourself ready. All right, so the Bible does not say that Mary committed a sin. Jesus tells the apostles and Matthew 28:20, Observe all that I have commanded you and behold, I am with you always to the close of the age. Even though Jesus will be with the apostles even after the present age comes to an end. GANYARD: It sure is, George. And I think that in general, those arguments arent very strong, but in some cases, saying that something is fitting can point us in that direction. Yeah. The Greek word translated until does not exclude normal marital conduct after Jesus birth. In 2001, Butler signed Christie on November 28, to replace Wade Richey who was demoted after struggling on field goals. Why would that be the case? You can also speak of adoptive children using biological language. Yeah, no, no, no. I wish that all were as I myself am. Since Mary and Joseph wouldve been the most chaste holy family, this would not apply to them. It says that, actually, I believe in First Corinthians. If you guys could try to keep your answers to about two minutes each. Steve Christie is a former Canadian American football placekicker in the National Football League, who, as a member of the Buffalo Bills, became known for his ability to kick clutch field goals, even in poor weather. While scripturally affirming Jesus is the son of God, they contradict scripture by claiming that Jesus is Michael the archangel, because scripture affirms Michael is a created being while Jesus is the eternal deity. So Trent, what are some arguments that you hear Catholics put forth for any of the dogmas we are discussing today, that you wish they would stop putting forth because theyre bad arguments? In fact, as Baptist scholar Lee Mcdonald points out, the book of Malachi only implores its listeners to remember the law of Moses, which would be strange if there were a fixed set of writings established by Ezra called the prophets at this time. Regarding the Immaculate Conception, the other Pope declared, but not infallibly, the most blessed Virgin Mary in the first instance of her conception was preserved free from all stain of original sin is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to believe firmly and constantly by all the faithful. Jesus is never referred to as a preemptive savior, but as a redeeming, delivering savior, which includes redeeming and delivering Mary from her sins. When the Bible talks about all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, as I mentioned in my opening statement, its a Greek word pas, which means, everyone, which would include Mary. The word paraphrase very frequently provides adequate description of the relationship (Introducing the Apocrypha, 22). My colleague, Tim Staples, has written an entire book on Mary called Behold Your Mother. Well, it uses the Greek word for brother. But those who knew the family, why he is called the son of Mary is interesting, and a good explanation is that he was born of Mary, and that Mary was Josephs second wife. Yeah. Trent had mentioned about Mary and her Magnificat saying, God, my savior, and she was referring back to Hannah. Hallo.com/mattfred. Do it, or dont do it. Steve, we just heard from David Wright, the clock is ticking, those batteries could run out by early next week. Second thing I want to point out is you should consider joining our locals community. So for example, I think Steve is right that the use of the word [inaudible 01:43:59] in Luke 1:28 does not, in and of itself, prove the immaculate conception. Steve Christie Co-founder at Provizio; Accident Prevention Technology Belfast Metropolitan Area Proviz.io, +2 more Queen's University Belfast Steve Christie Advisor - Halliburton Consulting. Im not saying thats a required view, but its a quite plausible one. Nice to have you. So The Assumption and the immaculate conception are not contradicted in that respect. Or Enoch and Elijah who never died because they were assumed alive into heaven. It can also refer to a half sibling as well, such as in the Old Testament, the word for brother is used to refer to Ruben as being the brother of his half brothers. Yes, and I also have a video about Protestant inconsistent use of typology where Protestants have no problem even seeing very rough connections, typologically, to Jesus in the Old Testament, but then apply a much harsher standard when those same typological connections or better ones show Mary in the Old Testament. It would be an evidence chip, if you will, for it that we have to balance with other evidences. A concrete example of this would be sacrifice. Can a person with a human nature die even if they are free from sin? It is currently the longest field goal ever made in Super Bowl History. In fact, in the early church, it would be idolatry. He has the burden of proving that the dogmas contradict scripture. So if Jesus has adelphi, he must have had sisters who were born of Mary. At what point does Marion devotion or veneration turn into idolatry? Indeed, the Talmudic tract Sanhedrin 100B refers to rabbis with-drawing Sirach, or declaring it to be no longer inspired and thus withdrawn from synagogue reading. And these brothers still struggle on the same land 3,800 years later. He says, this is a question for Steve. If Matthew wished to convey Marys virginity was perpetual, there would be no need to add until she gave birth to a son. She wouldve simply ended with he kept her a virgin or added throughout her marriage. And again, just to give an example in the Septuagint, in the Book of Sirach, which is inspired for Trent, but its not inspired for me, it uses the Greek word [Greek 00:47:52], which is a masculine form of [Greek 00:47:55] when it says, Hail Mary, full of grace. And its used to describe a man who is full of grace. Lets see how much we can get through. But since it allows for Mary to have died, then it is much of a partial contradiction to scripture as the dogma of Jehovahs Witnesses of Jesus being the son of God and Michael. So before I do that, let me explain what this debate is not about. And I would say the same applies to Mary, were just having different views about what counts as divine revelation. You just have to join locals in the same way youd have to join Twitter or Facebook to get access to it. Itll make me feel really good if nothing else. I bet maybe you would kneel before it in prayer, you would weep to see that through this means our salvation was procured. And notice that Steve kept saying, Yeah, it says all have sinned. Jesus, of course, is the exception. In fact, the term original sin like immaculate conception is not found in the Bible or in the church fathers until the time of St. Augustine. In his recent book Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller, Protestant apologist Steve Christie claims that all Christians should accept the Protestant Old Testament canon and reject the deuterocanonical books of Judith, Tobit, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1and 2 Maccabees, and portions of Daniel and Esther. Christie claims the Hebrew canon was closed by Ezra and other learned men at an event called the Great Synagogue. Please join our community. So when it comes to Mary, idolatry would occur if we were to give Mary worship that is due to God alone. But were not debating whether the Marian Dogmas have a historical foundation in the writings of the church fathers. I think thats really terrific. As I had mentioned, the way a dogma can contradict scripture is if its explicit, implicit, or partial. I guess, after the New Testament, I guess heres a fun question, which of the church fathers would you be okay with preaching at your church? Some of these questions are for both of you but it might be better if I ask a question, just one of you respond since we have so many. Why is there disagreement between relatives, older stepbrothers, cousins, et cetera? I dont know how you would feel. So then it isnt literally saying every single human has sinned or every man has sinned. I would like to demand that everybody hit that like button. Greg is one of the leading apologists of our day and has had a huge impact on my personal and professional life. Trent made the comment about the word until thats used in Second Samuel, but it uses the word [Greek 00:37:31], not [Greek 00:37:31]. Alright? So youre going to agree it does not deny Mary was assumed into heaven? He says this is for, oh, Hey, now you have to give one to Steve. And I think one way that makes sense would be if Joseph had been previously married. Jesus does not rebuke her. And so I think what I have shown is that all of these arguments that Steve has raised to try to show scripture contradicts the Marian Dogmas, it does no such thing. Communication, Canon, and Unbeliever Knowledge of God, Reformed Apologist (Ronald W. Di Giacomo). So that doesnt take away from what an errancy is about, which is Scriptures specific affirmations related to what it affirms. He has authored over 170+ books.Andrews is the Chief Translator of the Updated American Standard Version (UASV). Now Steve mentioned and many other Protestants allude to Matthew 1:24-25, which says When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him. Steve may not believe thats what the text says, but if it does say that, theres no contradiction in it saying that. The experience of over thirty years of singing professionally has taught him how to tune into the lover that lives in us all. And see, heres the thing. For a long time, a noted Christian apologist has publicly staked out a position that challenges the literal claims in the Book of Genesis but another apologist warns that position is a dangerous denial of truth and scripture. On the one hand he could show the Bible teaches the opposite of these dogmas regarding Mary as an individual. William Albrecht has done a lot of great work on Mary. As I had mentioned about the Greek word, adelphi, let me remind everyone that this is about what scripture actually teaches and to remind that the Septuagint is a translation. 2022 Defenders Media All Rights Reserved, Apologetics315 is a ministry of Defenders Media, 501(c)(3) a non-profit organization. He put that on his glorified resurrection body after the resurrection. like conceived, why would Joseph and their kinsfolk who knew her think that her pregnancy was a result of adultery? And my focus was on the word, adelphi, which Trent really didnt focus on, on his opening statement. on Dear catholic.com visitors: This Catholic Answers website, with all its free resources, is the worlds largest source of explanations for Catholic beliefs and practices. Well, not necessarily. [These verses] cannot figure as crown witnesses for the view that the Old Testament canon in Jesus days was fixed and closed (The Blood from Abel to Zachariah). He made all 27 extra-point attempts and 23 of 27 field goal tries in his rookie season. In the Darby translation of the New Testament, where in second Thessalonians Chapter 2, when it talks about worshiping images and worshiping idols, it actually uses the word veneration and it literally can be translated worship. You can get both of those on Amazon. Drive in with The Morning Ritual weekday mornings on KNST AM790Supervisor Steve Christie explains why he endorses Abe Hamadeh, Kari Lake and others and also talks about Pima County spending . This is really great. How do we know theyre brothers? We must be careful, of course, that in Marion devotion, sometimes people use very flowery language that they shouldnt necessarily be taken literally because they love Mary as the mother of God who leads us to her son. So if Mary died, which the dogma, the bodily assumption in 1950 strongly implies, this demonstrates Mary inherited original sin from Adam. And for Protestants, thats the same as well, because the doctrines of the canon of Scripture, or even Sola Scriptura itself are not found explicitly in Scripture. When Mary said, I know not man, in Luke 1:34, does this indicate a vow of perpetual virginity? Steve Skojec, Christian Apologetics, and the Problem of Faith June 2, 2021 Esther O'Reilly Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Mary was able to do something that Jesus didnt. And we can safely assume that Jesus saw the body of Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration. So at an early age, I think about around age three. In fact, when it is used in the Septuagint to talk about people who have different fathers or mothers, it is only ever used to describe people in the case of half siblings, of having different fathers, not different mothers . So we have to read the context. I would like to demand that everybody hit that like button right now. So, if the greatest of those born before Christ wasnt constricted to accepting the canon Christie is defending, then we shouldnt be compelled to do the same, either. By providing an accessible and growing repository of teaching materials, as well as providing a means of networking within the apologetics community, ourvisionis to be a significant educational resource for churches, campus groups, and Christians around the world. How do we know Andrew and Peter are brothers? They werent arguments that I made, but they were arguments that other people have made. So we see here that messianic Psalms are often applied to Jesus in non-literal ways. In 2 Kings 2:11, Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven, meaning he did not see death either before being assumed to heaven. When it comes to savior, I would just challenge Steve, where does Luke 1:46 through 48 talk about sin? Morgan Stanley Wealth Management 631-755-8843. He became sinner. This is the number one downloaded Catholic app in the app store, and it is the best app Ive ever used ever. So these Marian Dogmas are not optional or fitting for the faithful Catholic to believe, but are required and binding to the Catholic to remain in good standing in communion with the Roman Catholic church, despite them all contradicting God breathed scripture. Geoffrey Stephen Christie (born November 13, 1967)[1] is a former Canadian American football placekicker in the National Football League (NFL), who, as a member of the Buffalo Bills, became known for his ability to kick clutch field goals, even in poor weather. "Bills and Eagles Turn Mountains Into Molehill; Buffalo Erases 35-Point Deficit", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steve_Christie&oldid=1134968114, College of William & Mary Sports Hall of Fame, This page was last edited on 21 January 2023, at 20:11. Can a person die? The Isaiah 7:14 prophecy only indicates that Mary was to remain a virgin during her pregnancy and up to the Messiahs birth., The NAB continues, The evangelist is simply concerned to emphasize that Joseph was not responsible for the conception of Jesus, which is why Matthew stresses the child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. Like infant baptism, the cessation of charismatic gifts, for example. So again, weve gone through a lot of scripture here, but none of them stick and show that the Marian Dogmas are contradicted by the Bible in any way. So my point here is clear. He is also a registered nurse and Steve discusses the challenges of balancing ministry and a career. Steve Christie - Apologetics315 Debate: Do Protestants Have the Correct Old Testament Canon? Get your complimentary mortgage payment estimate* Apply Now. Okay. And I also have a video about seven popes, and possibly eight popes, that did not believe in the immaculate conception of Mary. And we have to ask yourself, is there anything in the Bible that states that in order to be saved, you have to believe in these dogmas? We now are going to have four minute rebuttals. Search. How would you treat that thing? Yet, if Mary did not inherit the stain of original sin passed down from Adam, she would not have died and therefore no need to rescue her from death before her earthly life ended. What you ended up finding also from this, as well as other dogmas, when you go back to it, you find a lot of these dogmas originating in apocalyptic literature. Sean McDowell, Ph.D. is a professor of Christian Apologetics at Biola University, a best-selling author of over 18 books, an internationally recognized speaker, and a part-time high school teacher. Steve's showmanship is upbeat and romantic but there's a lot more. So my point would be that if we would show that devotion to the means through which Jesus died, why wouldnt we show that similar devotion through the means by which Jesus was born? Moreover, there was diversity of thought among Jews until the second century after Christ over what constituted the Hebrew canon. So I think Catholics have a way to honor Mary as the mother of God without divinizing her. Your generous donations are tax-deductible. It is forbidden to any man to change this, to oppose and counter it. Their issue is about the authority of the church. Its [inaudible 01:14:35]. If Mary was a immaculate conceived, why would Joseph and her kinsfolk who knew her-. In Luke 1:28, the angel uses it as a descriptor of Mary within a personal address, similar to how John the Baptist used the lamb of God to speak about Jesus, and that talks about the significance there. Well, oh, can I have a [inaudible 01:22:11]. Because I believe that, I think Steve would agree, baptism is at least an ordinance we ought to carry out. Probably not like any other piece of wood. Christie also claims Jesus reference to the Pharisee Nicodemus as the teacher of Israel (John 3:10) meant the Pharisees had unique teaching authority over other Jews. And that Greek grammarians and New Testament scholars simply disagree with Steve on this point, hes just wrong about the semantic range of that word. Okay. But that doesnt mean that we cant show veneration and respect towards the things that God has made and those people who have cooperated with God in salvation history. As a matter of fact, if you want to, immediately after this debate, I made two videos. Just as eating from the tree of life wouldve resulted in Adam physically living forever likewise, Adam, eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, result put into him physically dying. 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